Wednesday, April 29th, 2026 Today, the Justice Department has indicted Jim Comey for spelling out 8647 with seashells; the FBI has been unable to locate the bullet fragment that hit the vest of the Secret Service agent outside the White House Correspondents’ Dinner; Todd Blanche has filed a midnight batshit crazy motion to vacate the injunction against ballroom construction; the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals knocks down Trump’s mandatory detention policy - setting up a Supreme Court battle; the FBI executed 22 searches in Minnesota, including using a battering ram to enter a daycare; Maureen Comey’s wrongful termination lawsuit is allowed to proceed; Trump’s approval rating hits another all time low; and Allison and Dana deliver your Good News.
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Today, the Justice Department has indicted Jim Comey for spelling out 8647 with seashells; the FBI has been unable to locate the bullet fragment that hit the vest of the Secret Service agent outside the White House Correspondents’ Dinner; Todd Blanche has filed a midnight batshit crazy motion to vacate the injunction against ballroom construction; the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals knocks down Trump’s mandatory detention policy - setting up a Supreme Court battle; the FBI executed 22 searches in Minnesota, including using a battering ram to enter a daycare; Maureen Comey’s wrongful termination lawsuit is allowed to proceed; Trump’s approval rating hits another all time low; and Allison and Dana deliver your Good News.
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msw media. Hello and welcome to the Daily beans for Wednesday, April 29, 2026. Today, the Justice Department has indicted Jim Comey for spelling out 8647 with seashells. The FBI has been unable to locate the bullet fragment that hit the vest of the Secret Service agent outside the White House Correspondent's Dinner. Todd Blanch has filed a midnight batshit crazy motion to vacate the injunction against ballroom construction. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals has knocked down Trump's mandatory detention policy, setting up a Supreme Court battle. The FBI executed 22 searches in Minnesota, including using a battering ram to enter a daycare center. Maureen Comey's wrongful termination lawsuit is allowed to proceed. And Trump's approval rating hits another all time low. I'm Allison Gill.
And I'm Dana Goldberg.
I'm sorry, I can't, Today is the wackiest fucking news day on the planet.
I mean, it's banana pants, but I feel like we've been dealing with this for years. The whole Comey thing, we're going to get to it. It obviously more in the in beans talk. It's just ridiculous.
I, feel like it's a test run to see how many people this government can indict for practicing their First Amendment free speech rights.
Yeah, basically. Or their art. I mean, that's art. It was art. It was seashell art. We're going to talk more about it. Yeah.
Protected again by the First Amendment, but yeah, we'll talk about that. Also today we're going to talk to Lalina Brandt. They go by defenestrans on Instagram and they're going to join us to discuss how we can be better allies to the trans community. It's a pretty amazing discussion.
It's a phenomenal, it was such a great discussion. It was. Alison, did you see the latest Ipsos poll? No. Okay. Reuters writes that Trump's approval rating, it sank to the lowest level of his current term as Americans increasingly soured on his handling of the cost of living and an unpopular war in Iran. That's according to new Reuters Ipsos poll. So the four day poll completed on Monday showed 34% of Americans approve. Approve. 34% approve of Trump's performance in the White House. That's down from 36 in a prior Reuters IPSO survey which was conducted on April 15th through the 20th. So a little bit five days there and,
Oh, my God, 34% approval rating.
Yeah, I mean, and whatever we reported on the 33 last time that Wasn't. It's just ridiculous.
Yeah. That wasn't Reuters ipsos. That was Ind Gov or YouGov.
It was a different poll that I can't remember.
But for Reuters Ipsos to come in at 34 from 36 last week. If it continues at this rate, Dana, in five weeks we will be at Nixon's resignation approval numbers, 24, 25%.
We will also be at Trump's IQ,
which, yeah, yeah, we already went beyond, his, number of felonies. That was such a good post that you put out.
I mean, everyone else jumped on that and was like still higher than his iq. It is one standard deviation away from the norm. I mean, let's be honest.
Let's be honest. All right. Oh my God. Let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. First up from cnn. Former FBI Director Jim Comey was indicted Tuesday over a photo of seashells that officials said threatened President Donald Trump, marking the administration's second attempt to prosec one of his largest political opponents. According to three sources, the Secret Service brought Comey in for an hours long interview with agents in D.C. an uncommon step by the agency over a non specific threat. Comey told investigators he saw the shells on a beach in North Carolina. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabard told Fox News following Comey's post that the former director should be put behind bars for this and that she was, quote, very concerned for Trump's life. Legal and security experts have told CNN such a case against Comey may be fruitless, especially given the country's free speech protections.
I would think so. This next story is from the Times. Maureen Comey, who is a former federal prosecutor who accused the Trump administration of firing her last year for political reasons, may proceed with a lawsuit in federal court over the government's objection. This is what a Manhattan judge rolled on Tuesday. Ms. Comey is the daughter of James Comey, the former FBI director and one of the President's best known adversaries, even though he helped get him elected in 2016. I'm just going to say that, plausible explanation. Yes. Said in her suit, in her suit, that there was no plausible explanation for her abrupt July 2025 dismissal other than Donald's enmity. That's a tough one for me. Sorry. Toward her father or her perceived political affiliations and beliefs. Or both. It could be both. The Trump administration had asked the judge, that's Jesse Furman of Manhattan federal court, to dismiss Ms. Comey's suit against the government, saying it had to be pursued first before the Merit System Protection Board, an independent agency that hears complaints from federal workers about employment actions.
Well, it, used to be an independent agency. It's been completely gutted by Donald Trump. And the people who were fired from that board are also suing him for wrongful termination.
We need you to go through the board that no longer exists. Judge Furman actually held that her claim was, and I quote, outside the universe of cases that Congress intended the board to resolve, and therefore the court had jurisdiction to consider the suit. The judge did not rule on the merits of Ms. Comey's claim.
Yeah, I think it's also important to note that Ms. Comey was, according to a letter from Jamie Raskin to the Department of Justice, prosecuting a case against co conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein when she was removed from her position. Next up is from me@muellershirote.com Todd Blanche himself filed the most bizarre motion on the docket I have ever read. It has to do with the injunction Judge Leon issued blocking construction of the above ground part of Trump's ballroom, which I predicted Dodd Blanche would do 45 minutes after the incident outside the White House Correspondent's Dinner. Let me just read some of this. Motion to dissolve the injunction. Are you ready for this? I don't know if you're ready for this.
I don't know if I'm ready.
The National Trust for Historic Preservation is a beautiful name, but even their name is fake. All, caps. Because when they add the words in the United States to the National Trust for Historic Preservation, it makes it sound like a government agency, which it is not. In fact, the United States refused to continue funding it in 2005 because they strongly disagreed with their mission and objectives. They are very bad for our country. They stopped many projects that are worthy and hurt many others. In this case, they're trying to stop one that is vital to our national security and the safety of all presidents of the United States, both current and future, their families, staff, and cabinet members. They were asked by the United States military not to bring this lawsuit because of the top secret nature of the important facility being built. They were shown detailed plans and specifications of this knitted, unified and cohesive structure by top officers and leaders in both the military and Secret Service. But this did not deter them because they suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, commonly referred to as tds, as noted by Democratic Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, and are represented by a lawyer for Barack Hussein Obama, Gregory Craig.
Oh, boy.
I want to interject here. This isn't a Truth Social Post. This is a Department of justice filing on a court docket.
It's just unbelievable.
Goes on to say the Secret Service fortunately neutralized the assassin before he could reach the ballroom. However, Saturday's narrow Ms. What?
No.
Which marks the third assassination attempt on President Trump since 2024, confirms what should have already been obvious. Presidents need a secure space for large events that currently does not exist in Washington D.C. the fact that an assassin came mere seconds from shooting the president, along with his family, the bulk of his cabinet, his senior staff, and the Washington press corps, lays bare that DC does not have a secure space for large, high profile events, or one able to accommodate an event with line of succession for the US Government. Mere seconds after the attack, a bipartisan chorus of legislators, analysts and media pundits vocally expressed support for the completion of the ballroom. This group includes Democratic Senator John Fetterman and Senator Rand Paul. And I'm sorry, Dana, but John Fetterman and Rand Paul. Does not a bipartisan chorus make m. That's more like a libertarian duet.
Yeah, maybe at that.
And finally, again, it's called Trump Derangement Syndrome. All caps on top of everything else. This project is a gift to our country for President Trump and other donors. It's free of charge to the American taxpayer. Who could ever object to that question mark? Except right now, they're putting a bill forward to make the taxpayers pay for this ballroom, which I think they were always going to do anyway.
Yes. And let me just point out, Allison, you and I have been to the White House. The amount of security that we had to go through to get to the East Wing, which is where that ballroom would be, was extraordinary. There's no reason this has to be a ballroom with bulletproof glass and all of these other things and the bunker and all of these other things. It could be a tough shed, and it would still have the same security that the rest of the White House grounds have that are very effective right now. And we wouldn't have to build a ballroom.
And had they made this a, national special security event because the entire line of presidential succession was in the room, save a couple of people.
Yep.
It would have been extraordinary. White House level security at the Hilton as well.
Absolutely. It would have been the ballroom he's asking for all. right. This is from Ms. Now, the FBI has not found the fragment that pierced a Secret Service officer's bulletproof vest at the White House Correspondent's Dinner on Saturday, leaving investigators unable to say for certain whether the armed attacker shot the officer or how he was injured, according to two people briefed on the probe. Allison, I'm putting my tinfoil hat on, but if they didn't, do. Have we found the shells from the shooting? I'm just curious.
They didn't say, they can't find the bullet fragment, though. And I just. I pictured in my head, like, Wolf Blitzer getting home that night, reaching into his pocket, pulling out a little bullet fragment and going.
I mean, I think we heard in the manifesto that he was using buckshot so it wouldn't go through walls. But you'd still find. I'm m. I just. My little conspiracy theorist is like, did anything actually come out of either of their guns? You're telling me that he shut off a shot and that five other shots went off and nobody was. I just. I'm struggling.
Ah. Yeah, the. What Blanche was saying is the secret Service agent fired five shots at the guy, but missed on all five. And so what it sounds like is the initial shot came from Cole's gun because a shell was ejected, but he didn't reload, and that it didn't hit anybody, and that the secret Service agent might have been hit by another secret service agent.
Right. Anyway, just. I'm still an honorary.
That's why. That's why I say I'm waiting for all the facts.
Absolutely. We'll see if we actually get them. By the way, there are some other details Ms. Now has learned about this incident. So, first of all, no officers or agents were stationed in the stairwell that Allen used to get to the main hotel floor. And just steps from the checkpoint, he breached. Investigators review a hotel video. It shows Alan reached the checkpoint where magnometers screened gas for weapons by walking down the stairwell 10 floors down from his hotel room. This is what from one of the people said. The fact that the stairwells were not commandeer is ridiculous. Now, in its review, a Secret service team estimated that Allen was running nine miles an hour, one person in the briefing said, and then stumbled somehow and fell a few yards from the checkpoint. Okay, that raises the questions among law enforcement professionals of how a person moving that fast could have stopped and fired his weapon at an officer behind him.
So we go from he was tackled and shot and tackled right and dead to he fell to he's fine, and he fell and no one got hit.
Yep.
And now they can't even find the bullet fragment that hit the vest of the.
Yeah.
Secret service agent.
Now, Blanche said the shotgun shell had not been ejected from the weapon. that's, convenient. Meaning the attacker didn't cock and reload it. Now, Blanche said investigators determined that the agent who was shot fired five rounds at the suspect, none of which hit him, as we've talked about. But he said that they could not be sure that those were the only rounds fired by law enforcement officers.
How can you not be sure?
I know. Check their fucking guns and see how many.
Check the guns. What the fuck is this Keystone Cop bullshit?
And here's a quote. When you fire a bullet, it ends up somewhere. That's what he said. Sometimes you find it and sometimes you don't.
So the top law enforcement officer in the country, ah, you know, bullets happen. Sometimes you find them, sometimes you don't.
And I guess we're not hearing from Kash Patel because his girlfriend was holding someone else's hand and he's really distraught. Like, why aren't we hearing what was going? The whole story around Kash Patel in the shooting is actually comical. It's pretty funny. FBI agents had departed and apparently cleared the crime scene of the Hilton by early Sunday morning when Ms. Now reporters and other members of the public were able to walk through it. Of course they cleared it.
So you. I have a question then. Ah, you didn't find the bullets, but you cleared the crime scene?
Fair question. This whole thing reeks. That's why when everyone. I want to have respect, and I do have respect for the people in the room, especially people we knew who were scared. You know, Collins and Eugene and the people we know that were in that room, I believe they were genuinely scared because they thought there was gunfire outside that room. I'm having a really hard time. I'm having a hard time believing that this whole thing was on the up and up still. I just am,
I. Again, I'm reserving, judgment. What this sounds like to me is just incompetence could be in leadership is what it sounds like to me. But that's not going to instill any more trust than has already been lost.
That's fair.
I mean, come on. I mean, that's, you know, that's what I was pointing out when we discussed, this Monday on Beans Talk. I was like, look, whatever happened here, nobody. You could hand somebody all the ballistics and laser ballistics and match up the bullet casing to the barrel and do all the evidence, and people are still going to be like, whatever, dude.
Yeah, I know. Before we go on to the next story. And this has nothing to do with anything. It just popped into my head, you know, they're worried about the birth rate in the United States. Don't you think it's fucking weird that J.D. vance's wife, Caroline Lovett and Stephen Miller's wife are all pregnant at the same time? I feel like they're trying to repopulate the United States within the administration. I think it's bizarre.
Well, this, this whole, administrative, this whole administration is, is a, pro eugenics.
I know. It's just. I think it's interesting. I really do.
Yeah. All right. Squirrel.
Squirrel. Sorry.
Squirrel. Next up from the Times. Federal agents on Tuesday searched businesses in the Minneapolis area, including daycare centers, as part of a fraud investigation. According to the Department of Homeland Security, senior administration officials have pushed prosecutors to speed fraud investigations into members of the Somali American community in Minnesota. Several prosecutors who had been overseeing fraud cases resigned in protest in January over this. Now, among other locations federal agents were searching was a tan building in south Minneapolis that houses the Somali Senior center and Adult Day Services and the original childcare center. A news station, kstp, reported federal agents had used a battering ram to enter another daycare in south Minneapolis. That's gotta be terrifying if there were children there. Muhammad Khali, who manages the building, said federal agents arrived at 6:30am they left about four hours later. And they piled armloads of boxes into waiting vehicles as observers shouted, Nazi pigs. So 22 search warrants executed by Department of Homeland Security on fraud investigations. I think it just seems like this administration is trying to get the people used to the Gestapo conducting criminal investigations as opposed to the Department of Justice.
Sounds like it to me. I do have some better news. This is from Ms. Now. They're not all bad news today. Federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement it can't indefinitely detain non citizens awaiting immigration proceedings or removal, without regard of their criminal history or date and point of entry. The 2nd U.S. circuit Court of Appeals decision. It contradicted two other appeals courts that have reviewed ICE's policy, likely setting up the issue for scrutiny by the Supreme Court. The case centers around Ricardo Aparecido Barbosa de Kunha, a non citizen of Brazil who worked in construction and has lived in the United States since 2005. He applied for asylum in 2016, was granted work authorization pending his applications review, and has never been convicted of a crime. Immigration officers arrested him in September last year on his drive to work. Dakunha asked to be released on bond to go home to his family in Massachusetts while awaiting proceedings, but he was denied based on ICE's mandatory detention policy. The three George. Excuse me, the three judge panel. I don't know if any of them were named.
George.
But the three judge panel ruled unanimously against the Trump administration's position that people in Duna's circumstances, and I quote, by all accounts, millions of men, women and children, the court wrote, are subject to federal law allowing officers to hold non citizens who are stopped near the border or who have criminal backgrounds. And this is a continuation. The government claims that mandatory detention must continue regardless of how long removal proceedings take, even if the non citizen poses no danger to the community or risk of flight. That is not what the law says. This is from a Trump appointed judge, Joseph Bianco. By the way, Bianco said the policy raises serious constitutional questions surrounding what would be the broadest mass detention without bond mandate in our nation's history for millions of non citizens.
Yeah, and we've sort of been waiting to see if this was going to go up to the Supreme Court because so far two other circuit courts of appeals have said that the government can do this. And generally the Supreme Court won't hear a case like this unless multiple appellate, courts are in opposition to each other, or at least there's one in opposition to each other. That's when the Supreme Court steps in and makes the decision for all the courts for the nation. So we're going to see this go to the Supreme Court. And everybody is hoping beyond hope that the Supreme Court says that you cannot indefinitely detain someone while their case is pending without bond, without consideration of where they were apprehended. Was it near a border?
Yeah.
or whether or not they've committed a crime. So we'll see how it goes. I don't have a lot of faith in the Supreme Court, but we're going to get a decision on this probably in the next term. All right, thank you for that last bit of good news. Very happy, to get a little bit of that. But also next we've got Lelena Brandt coming on. Lelena is Defenest Trans on Instagram and they're going to talk to us about how we can be better allies to the trans community. And I'm looking forward to it. Stick around. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody. I'm excited to tell you about Koiuchi because they really are in a category of their own when it comes to bedding, bath and home products. The organic sateen and flannel sheet sets make a real difference. If you want to sleep to feel more comfortable and healthier year round. There's a lot of organic bedding and brands out there, but Koiuchi stands apart because of the quality, their 35 year history and the fact that ethical production is clearly part of how they do business. That's important to me. And we have a deal for you from M. Koiuchi. You can get 15% off your first order@koiuchi.com DailyBeans what I really appreciate about Koiuchi is that it feels like better sleep and better peace of mind at the same time. The sheets are made from natural fibers and certified to be free of toxins and harmful chemicals, which matters when you think about how much time you spend sleeping against your bedding. They're also incredibly soft and gentle on your skin, so the whole experience feels more comfortable from the start. I also love the way Koichi brings style into the room without trying too hard. Whether it's the subtle sheen of their sateen or the soft velvety feel of their brushed cotton flannel, everything has a very calm, effortless look that makes bedroom feel more peaceful. That's important. The colors and patterns are inspired by nature, which I really love. And the sheets only get softer with every wash, which is amazing. They're made to last too. No pilling or wear that can make other bedding feel tired too quickly. So Koyuchi really is luxury you can feel good about. Their products are beautifully made, use low impact dyes and even meet certified fair trade standards. So if you want healthy, organic luxury bedding that lasts a lifetime, you need Koiuchi. Get 15% off your first order when you visit koyuchi.comdailybeans that's coyuchi.comdailybeans to get 15% off C-O-Y-U C H I.comdailybeans if you love having cats, if you're a cat haver like me, you accept that there's one part of the deal that nobody really enjoys talking about and that's the litter box. The cats are wonderful. I love my indoor babies. The litter box, not so much. So any product that makes that part of life easier, cleane and less noticeable gets my attention, very quickly. This podcast is sponsored by Boxy. Boxy is the last cat litter you'll switch to and their Boxy Pro Deep Clean is the best cat litter money can buy for a limited time. Get 30% off your first order plus free shipping when you head to boxycat.com DailyBeans and use code DailyBeans now. one reason I love Boxee is it makes one of the least glamorous parts of having a cat feel a lot more manageable. The team at Boxy send me Boxy Pro Deep Clean, and I can genuinely vouch for it. It what stands out the most is the way it handles odor. BoxyPro uses probiotics in the litter itself to deal with the bacteria that cause the smell. So it keeps working overtime instead of just making big promises on day one and then disappointing by day three. I also appreciate that Boxy skips the fake smells. I don't want my home smelling like artificial fragrance layered on top of litter box drama. And my cat doesn't need that either. So the whole thing feels cleaner and easier and the maintenance is a huge plus. Instead of constantly dumping out the entire box, I can just scoop and add more fresh litter as needed. Now that has been a real game changer for me. The litter box is less of a chore. My cats seem perfectly happy with it, and the odor situation is so much better. I also like the boxy uses 100% US sourced clay that avoids fillers and unnecessary additives. And you can tell how much work they've put into making sure Boxy is the best product you can find. So if you're tired of switching litters and you're looking for the one, get 30% off your boxee. Order at ah box I-ecat.com DailyBeans and use code DailyBeans. That's boxycat.com DailyBeans and make sure you use our code dailybeans so they know we sent you. Hey everybody. Welcome back. Super honored to be joined today by somebody I follow on Instagram. They are super prolific in helping teach allies of the trans community, like, how to be. Even though we really should be putting out the world that's on fire right now. And I know, Dana, we have so many listeners who write into us and they want to know, like, how they can be a better ally.
Absolutely. I think it's honestly one of my favorite things about this community is how people are fighting. I meet them, at shows, I meet them, they write into us. And if they're not part of the trans or non binary community, they're fighting for their kids who are. And so to have someone on, even though I feel like I'm an educated ally, I feel like I'm doing the work, I know there's still so much I can learn. So to have conversations like this with you, Lalena, make me very, very happy because I feel like it just expands My breadth of knowledge. And I know the listeners are gonna feel the same way.
And this is exactly what happened to me. I'm cruising through Insta, the amazing people I follow, and I see our guest today, Lalena, jump onto the video and say, hey, stop saying preferred pronouns. They're not preferred, they're pronouns. And going through a couple of other things that really stood out to. Oh, okay. You know, I should be more thoughtful. And so I'm really happy today to welcome. If you follow them on Instagram, it's defenestrans. Please welcome Lalena. Hi, Lalena.
Hello. Nice to meet y'. All. I'm so excited to be here. It's nice to have you as a longtime leguminati.
That's so amazing. Well, longtime Defend us trans follower here. And something like I said that I mentioned in the intro, that just really stood out to me. And I want to talk about this video and some other videos that you've put out, talk about why preferred pronouns. It's a no go. Because I've been saying that for so long, and it's just something that I hadn't thought about.
Well, that one's not so egregious, you know, And I usually don't say, hey, don't say this. That's not my vibe. I usually will say something more along the lines of, you know, when you say this, that's sort of how I try to. So that they understand that. Like, I'm not saying, like, hey, you've been screwing us up, you know, like. But to just say, when you say this, here's how it can be received sometimes. Right. And it also can make people have a certain connotation, you know, or feel a certain connotation of it. So when you say that their pronouns are preferred, it sounds optional.
Yep.
Right. It sounds like something that they.
It sounds subjective.
I prefer chocolate ice cream, but I also am, good with strawberry or vanilla. You know what I mean?
Right.
But my pronouns are they, them, or she, her, she, her. Now, in that case, because I have the two options, one of them I like a little bit better. So I do prefer they, them. Right. But most people just have one set, right? So it's either she, her, they, them, he, him, et cetera. So, if they just have that single set, those aren't their preferred pronouns. Those are their pronouns. So I usually just ask, what pronouns would you like me to use for you? And that kind of covers it.
I love that. I also feel like it's more inclusive language that way. It doesn't feel like we're separating the trans community from everyone else when everyone has pronouns we all pronounce. This isn't something special to the trans and non binary community. So if I just say to you, what are your pronouns? It's the same question I would ask anybody else.
Exactly.
And these videos you have, by the way, are so good and informative and in a, in a time where I feel like you, and when I say you, I don't mean to include you in the like to represent the entire non binary and trans community.
Right.
But I feel like the trans non binary community are taking on so much right now, especially because of being the scapegoat of this administration, that it would be nice if allies would do their own work and do their own research and not count, like lean on you to even do more work of the teaching. But you've been so generous with that in your live streams and in your videos. And so I enjoy them because I learn from you. And one of the things that I learned is that the term biological woman, and I can understand why this would be problematic, but for our allies, I would love to hear it in your words of why this is sort of a problematic term.
Sure. So, well, the, the, the issue with it is that it's kind of a nonsensical term. because woman and man are not biological terms. Those are psychosocial terms. Those are terms that we use that are linked to, you know, terms that we use for sex, those biological terms like male and female. But in some people, those two things are not necessarily in alignment. Those two things are incongruent. So when you say biological woman. Well, a trans woman is a woman and she's also biological because the word biological just means living organism.
Right.
so she is both socially a woman. That's how she moves through the world. Right. That's how she is perceived. I know there's going to be some haters, maybe not that are listening to the beans, but there are haters out there that will say, well, I don't treat them that way. And I'm like, yeah, you do. You just. They think they can always tell, but they can't. but I get people, you know, out of my day to day, you know, that say miss and ma', am, I've got, you know, old truckers at the, at the gas station wanting to buy me coffee and calling me little lady, you know, and can I ask
you a question in that, Lena? Because I've heard this, my dear friend, Alexandra Billings and who I know, you know, who's just a lovely human being. She's incredible.
She, like, that was the highest pitch I have ever made. When she showed up on my live stream one day and I squealed.
I squeal every time.
That's so funny. Oh my gosh, I adore her.
I do too. And one of the things that I realized, because if someone said this to me and even as a lesbian, but to a trans person when you get she, her and little lady so often that if you do decide to come out and let them know your, your journey to say to a trans person, I hope people listen to this. Oh my God, I would have never been able to tell. Oh my God, you passed. So that's not a compliment. It's not a compliment necessarily to a trans.
I mean, I know it's m meant as a compliment, but the connotation is. But trans people are so uggo and I can't believe that you're not or something like that. Or like, like usually it's so obvious. But that's just confirmation bias, right? Because, you know, you've ever seen that diagram of the plane with all the, the places that it got shot up, right? And these planes, you know, warplanes kept coming back in and they were all getting hit in these certain places and they're like, we need to fortify those spots on the plane. And you know, the smart person was like, no, no, no, we need to fortify the other places because these are the planes that come back.
Right?
so there's that like sort of thing that you're missing sometimes that's so obvious. But like, if you think that, well, trans people are so easy to spot, well, it's because you're only spotting the ones that are easy to spot. You know what I'm saying?
Absolutely, absolutely.
And those people that may be early in their transition or what have you, but by and large I moved through the day and people don't, you know, and I am a non binary femme. So, you know, for people who can't see me, I am a non binary femme. But I do present female. I did change my phenotypes from male to female. And when I move through the world, you know, the people that see me, they see a woman, they see a, female person, you know, moving through the store or what have you. But that's the thing is that like they think they can tell A lot of times what they think they're telling is just a, ah, masculine woman. A, masculine Cisgender woman or a, feminine cisgender man with feminine features and whatnot. And they will say miss or ma', am, and then they will get corrected. And they know what to do. They know what to do when they're corrected by a cisgender person.
That's true.
And that is just to say, I'm so sorry and correct myself and move on. And that's all we're asking, too. That's it.
and speaking of cisgendered person, that is what you say. Not biological woman, the nonsensical term that makes no sense.
Right, Exactly. That. The. The technical term for someone who is not trans. And that's another one that is one that people, tend to stick on. And I know there's people that are like, I support trans people now. I just don't want to be called cisgender. Well, I, will have you know that there are people, or were people, probably are still, but decades ago that used to say the exact same thing about the word straight. That they say, I'm not straight. I'm normal. I don't mind the gay folks, blah, blah, blah, but I'm, oh, not straight. I'm normal. And the thing is that these. These terms like straight or heterosexual or cisgender, these are terms that started out being used in, you know, technical spaces, in biological, you know, writings and stuff like that, and in medical writings. But when you use language like normal or. Or real and so forth, well, you're insinuating that the other thing is not normal or abnormal or fake or what have you. So most often in these kinds of spaces, when they're writing about sociology, psychology and so forth, they're going to want to use, like, a neutral kind of phrasing. And so you have the group that we're talking about, you know, in this case, transgender people. And so they needed a word that meant not. Not transgender. And so there was a science writer named Diana Fossey in 1994, I want to say, that said, well, the prefix trans is a, Latin prefix that means across from or on the other side. And there's an antonym that is Latin that has always been the antonym to trans, that is cis. Cis. And we hear it in things like transatlantic, CisAtlantic, trans fat. Cis fat. So it's used in various fields. And she said, well, that's just the natural antonym, then to transgender is just cisgender, and CIS just means on the same side. So if you're anatomical or phenotypic, sex and the neurological aspect of your sex or the psychosocial aspect, your gender identity, if those are incongruent, that means, you know, not aligned, not on the same side, then that's transgender. And if they are on the same side, that's cisgender. And so that is just equalizing language. And then when some. Sometimes when people hear they're used to being the default, and when they hear equalizing language, it sounds like they're being downgraded, and that's where they're taking offense. But it's not meant to downgrade. It's not meant to bring you down to the level of trans people. And I think that that's the problem they're having. It's bringing trans people up to the same level just at a, you know, an even playing field.
In other words, unfortunately for them, that's also the problem.
They're definitely like that either. Yeah.
If they think you see it, you
see it in every other, I mean, in their lives. Anything that takes from them, like you said, anything that is given to someone else must take from them. Instead of there being, like, enough pie for everyone, like you said. Allison.
Yeah.
Yeah. And another phrase, a problematic phrase that you brought up is if you say that. Oh, well, I remember when they became trans. Can you talk about that?
Yes. so, we became trans long before we realized that we were trans, because it was. Was essentially in utero, most likely because trans people, like I said, are born with this incongruence. because the. The. The body and the brain, or the. The rest of the body and the brain, because a lot of people want to separate the brain from the body, but the brain is an organ in our bodies. It is biological. And there's a whole science called neurobiology that is about the brain, but that those things are, you know, we're born with that misalignment, and we're not going to know that at birth. We don't know much of anything at birth. But every human starts to understand their gender between the ages of, like, three and seven, and they understand it in juxtaposition or in the context of the way that gender is constructed socially in their particular culture and era. Right. And when a trans person realizes that, like, okay, the way that I'm being expected to fall into these categories doesn't feel right. Like, the innate sense of who I am is just not that thing that people are assuming that I am because of the way my body presents. They're not saying, I want to be something else. They're saying, I've always been something else. Like here in my brain, I have been something else. And so it's not that they're becoming trans when they come out, it's that they're revealing who they always have been.
Yeah.
Which says just because you were talking a little bit about youth and the way you were born, the idea of birth language, as in I was born a woman, I mean, which is also such a strange thing to say because it's my favorite, I feel like, I mean, to say that makes everyone on the other side who thinks that like, you know, you can get married when you're 12 and calling, you know, victims who are children, women, you know, young women. But even to say I was born a woman, a situation, such a strange statement. Nobody was born a woman, by the way.
Yes, well, and that's the thing. And a lot of these things that I'm pointing out are, these are phrases that were born, speaking of being born on the right. Like these were born in right wing think tanks and they use these phrases like biological men, biological, women. They use the sports argument to, to repeatedly call trans women males and men and stuff like that. So this is very calculated language in order to denigrate a population. Right. And then it just becomes a part of the language and you start to hear like, for instance, Democratic politicians using phrases like, well, I don't want boys in girls sports either. Right. And it's like, but trans girls aren't boys. That's the thing, you know. So you've started to co opt the language by accident. Right. But born a woman is one of those phrases. And I'll hear people, you know, ostensibly on the side of, of trans people saying things like, you know, those phrases not, not to be like denigrating to trans people, but they, they say, you know, well, I was born a woman and I don't mind trans women coming into, you know, the bathroom with me, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, nobody was born a man or woman. That's the point is, because if you were, your mother would explode. Everybody's born a baby and they're teeny tiny, right?
Yeah. here's a towel. Clean yourself off. Who's gonna drive? Give it to the baby.
That's, I mean, it's hard enough. Like, we don't need to start seriously trying to birth adults.
Yeah. the language was just so odd to me. Like, I get asked all the time, well, what do you think about boys playing girl sports? And I'm like, boys don't play girls sports.
They are, yeah.
And they go. And then they'll find the one example they have of something and I'll be like, that's adorable.
The one time that. Well, and also they always forget too that like girls and boys play together when they're younger a lot more, you know, and there's. We have co ed sports even too that lady a little while back, a year or two ago that forfeited the fencing match against a trans woman because she didn't want to compete against this biological male. she had played in a co ed fencing ah, tournament like two weeks prior and had no problem with that. so you know, it's just to show how silly it all is and manufactured. But yeah, the thing is that like girls and boys have been playing together for a very long time and we never had issue with it. We don't have issue if a girl wants to play in boys sport, if she wants to like try out for the football team and stuff like that. You know, news articles get written about it. Everybody's like, oh look how cool this is. But the thing is that like, you know, if we actually cared about women and girls sports, we, you know, a, the men, and it's almost always men that are coming to me with this argument about, about it. If they cared about women and girls sports, a, they could name five women athletes. Yeah, they, they never can. And B, they wouldn't then talk. Can I say?
Oh yeah, you can say, okay, we feel better when you do.
Okay, so then they can shit talk women's sports and talk about how big and strong men are. The whole freaking conversation. but if they actually cared, they would be able to name the things that women and girl athletes actually care about that are not getting addressed like inequal support in going into sports as children, having to take the hand me downs from the boys teams as far as equipment goes, later practice times, worse, you know, practice facilities, and so forth. Then having predominantly men in coaching, and training positions, which leads to sexual assault and sexual harassment and and just women not getting those opportunities to be coaches and trainers and. And then if you get into the upper levels, fewer, you know, scholarships, less pay, less promotion. And that's right when the men will jump in and we're like, well, they just don't draw as much. Well, yeah, because they're not promoted.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and they start. And girls are taught very early on that their sports are secondary because we call them, you know, like soccer and women's soccer, you know The NBA and the women's NBA. You know, we.
Allison and I like to laugh and joke a lot on this podcast. Like, oh, I just found out men can play basketball, too.
I had no idea men have a soccer team. That's so cool for them. Look at. They're in the finals. Yeah.
And you know, the other thing that women athletes complain about a lot is when they excel, people can't believe that they're women anymore. They immediately get accused of being a man, especially women of color.
Absolutely.
And it is absolutely. You know, they. They take their womanhood away from these women who happen to be exceptional physically because they cannot believe that a woman could be.
Yeah, no, it's true. This whole thing of the sex testing in the Olympics, it's going to disproportionately affect athletes of color. And it's. It's. It was born that way. This is a racist testing. It has been in its conception. And yeah, it's. It's just really. It makes me m. It makes me sick because that they brought this back in.
There's a motive, limitations, too. Like if, Serena Williams max a racket on the ground. Oh, my God. Everybody call the papers. Ships at sea. Look at this.
But people love John McEnroe for it.
John McEnroe does. Yeah, they love him for it. And so it's just that you're right. If the people complaining about this really cared about women's sports, they would actually care about these kinds of things and
care about women's sports.
The other thing, and I don't want to get. I know. We could talk for hours. I'm so enjoying this conversation. I'm going to do a video about this. And this is sort of like allies in their speech. Even people that mean, well, when you say protect women's spaces, why are you relegating women's spaces to a dressing room, a bathroom, and a locker room?
Right.
Why is that the only time that you're saying women should feel safe in this world? So you're doing it distant justice every time you say women's spaces. The entire world should be a women's space because most sexual assaults don't happen in these spaces. They happen close to home. They do. They happen in people's offices. They happen in churches. And so when you say women's spaces, you're giving men who may be predators free reign on, 99% of the world.
Yeah, well, and that's one of my most popular videos, was talking about how men use power to gain that kind of access. They don't need to put on a dress. No, it's. And the video opens with. Is much easier for a man to be a rapist in this country than it is for him to walk out of his house in a dress. So why would he put on a dress to go do that thing that's easier to do?
Such a good point. It's such a good point in all of this. And we have talked about this before. One of the things that I really do love about your videos and your education is Grace giving people who are actually trying grace. You have some thoughts around that?
Well, yeah. I mean, I started out in the online space and social media, doing debates. And it was mainly like in, 2024, in the lead up to the election, you know, I was watching, like, online debates, and a lot of folks wanted to sort of pivot to trans people when they would lose an argument on oil prices or something like that, or immigration. And it was so people on, on the right that would come into these debate spaces of people I was following on the left that were doing these debates. And so they would always sort of resort to Trent to just bashing trans people at the end of the debate or, toward the end, and it would just evolve. And, it was two cisgender people talking about this abstract concept. And so I just started raising my hand in the chat and saying, hi, I'm a trans person and I know this stuff and I've lived it and I know the science and can I just come up and put a human face to this conversation? And that's how I got into it was doing debates. But I realized fairly quickly that all that was doing was platforming anti trans rhetoric and putting it on an equal playing field with actual science and real life. And, so it's like tummy feelings versus data and, and making them sound equal, like these have equal merit. And so I made my own space at that point. and it just says, do you have a question about trans people? And this is not a debate. That's it. And, and, so I, I tell people when I open my show that this is a space for, you know, people who want to understand us, and people who want to help, because we need help. We're a very tiny community. And so, you know, we need people who do start to hear, like, how their language might be changing people's views, you know, and if we can, can make that language accurate, more accurate to our actual experience, people can start to understand how we actually live. And it's not just this abstract thing because so many people just think it's like a guy that it's almost always they only think about trans women because, you know, a lot of this comes out of misogyny. You, know, I'm sure, you know, that, you know, they see like a guy that just goes, hey, maybe it'd be fun to have boobs. And that's just not what we are. You know, like. Like I find not much fun about having boobs. It's boring. It's just. It's, It feels correct.
Yeah.
Like, it's. But it doesn't feel like, awesome. It's just like, there they are, like, feel the same way.
Yep.
And I freaking hate bras and stuff. You know, just like anybody else that has to wear this thing.
Yeah, they can. They can be a hindrance. I hated being a woman in the comedy community. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't mean I hate being a woman.
Right. But so much of the, like, anti trans women, you know, the gender criticals and whatnot, they seem to hate being women. And I feel so sad for that. You know, that, like, that it's. It's first off, very biosensualist that it's like all about the suffering parts and in parts. But a lot of that is just stuff that men do. And we can relate on that, you know, like, we have so much more in common than we have different. And that's just humans in general. And I wish everybody understood that. But, like, this is all intersectional and, they want us all cut into factions and fighting each other and whether it's between races and between genders and. And we need to understand that it's just all of us in the working class are being divvied up, just picked off one by one.
They do it to just. Even Democrats, they're like, well, now there's leftists and liberals and progressives and centrists and moderates. Like, however they can divide everybody up. And, you know, that's why I'm so thankful that you found your own space. You know, like, Dana and I agreed a long time ago we're not gonna have any Scott Jenningses on this program. We don't need to elevate that kind of bullshit.
Yeah. You will never find me on a jubilee show, I promise.
I get asked to go on Newsmax, I'm like, no, why would I bring my awesomeness to your stupidity? But so thankful that you've created your own space and. And can. Before, we let you go, could you please Tell everyone where they can find and follow you and, watch your videos.
So, for fans of Portmanteaus, my name is Defenest. Trans. And so that's like defenestration, like the defenestration of Prague where they got rid of their political leaders by throwing them out of windows. So the word defenestration, that's where my name comes from. So it's D E F E N M E S T R A N S Defenestrance. And you can find me, my short form videos are on, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. and I am, right now live streaming on TikTok exclusively, but looking to expand that soon. So nice, keep a lookout. But I'm definite trans everywhere on all of those platforms.
Well, it's wonderful to meet you and we appreciate you coming on today.
I'm so glad to get to come and chat with y'. All. It's a real treat. So appreciate you asking me.
Thank you.
All right, everybody, we would appreciate if you stick around because we're going to be right back with the good news. Everybody, welcome back. It's time for the good news everyone then.
Good news everyone.
And if you have any little bit of good news at all, it can be small, it can be big. It can be from this week or 25 years ago. Anything that'll bring a smile to our face, we want to hear from you. Even if you just want to say hi or thank you to somebody that you know, maybe give a shout out to a loved one or yourself self. Shout outs are the best because y' all are awesome. Or a shout out to a government program or a non profit that you'd like us to know about or some great community activism that you've seen in your area. We would love to hear from you. You can also send in your good trouble suggestions. You, can send it to us@dailybeanspod.com Click on Contact and all you got to do to get your submission on the air is submit your pod pet photo, which means again, photo of your pet photo of a random animal on the Internet. It can be anything. It doesn't even. It could be humans, it can be baby pictures, it can be signs you've seen at, a no Kings rally that you thought were great or you dressed up for, for Halloween last year. it seriously what you're growing in your garden, what you're making or creating. If you've quilting, knitting, crocheting. Do you have chickens? You got goats? Send us photos. Anything Works goats. Anything works at all. That's DailyBeansPod uh.com click on Contact. First up is your Good Trouble. Good Trouble. In The Spirit of May 1, Buy Nothing at the Buy Nothing project.org the Buy Nothing project is a global grassroots movement built around the idea that everything you may already exist in your community. Through local groups organized on social platforms or the app, neighbors give, receive, lend, and share items freely with no money or trades involved. Whether it's furniture, kitchen tools, kids, clothes, time skills, the goal is to keep useful things circulating and out of landfills while fostering human connection. The Buy Nothing Project encourages a culture of generosity, trust, and conservation. Members post what they can offer or what they're looking for, and others respond.
Bond.
It's that simple. Over time, the acts of giving help build stronger neighborhoods. It reduces waste, and it shifts the focus from consumption to connection. For more information, you can go to buynothingproject.org or search for your local Buy Nothing group on Facebook. We'll have a link in the show. Notes. a producer has a note here. I use Buy Nothing all the time. We recently gave away a bunch of m My kids stuffies with their permission, of course, through our local Buy Nothing Facebook Facebook group.
nice.
Incredible. Look at the. And here's the bucket of stuffies. With permission.
With permission. All right, next up from Liz. Pronouns she and her a. small act of good trouble. I teach a class on civic engagement this term. My class has Friday deadlines, one of which is May 1st. So I move the deadline to May 2nd to give my students the freedom to participate in the economic blackout if they wish, without worrying about turning in late work. Work. I try to resist getting too political in my class. But fighting fascism isn't political. My message is that fight isn't left versus right, but right versus wrong. The doofus attached is my favorite pumpkin, Hank. He was a weirdo, but he was our weirdo.
That is a man cat face. Oh, what a sweet baby. What a. That's amazing, Liz. Thanks for doing that. That's.
I know.
I love that. All the creative ways listeners are figuring out how to participate. This Friday, we're going to not have any ads. No ads. All ad free day here on, the Daily Beans because we aren't going to participate in the economy that day. And, I have to say, everybody was, all of the brands that we work with, sponsors, our agencies were all super pro this. They were. They. Nobody got. We got no pushback from anybody. So the support, the community support is amazing.
I love it.
All right, next up from Lindy Pronoun. She and her hello beans Queens. My good news is that my students are rock stars in a rural community where you wouldn't think orchestra and chamber music would be a thing. I was able to take 95 students in 14 ensembles to a state level competition this past weekend and they all received first division ratings. I know what this is. I was in solo ensemble for chorus when I was in high school. and regionals too. They work so hard and I'm so very proud of them. It's been a tough year out here in rural Kansas. I have three students who had a parent pass away and several more who've lost family to deportation. The fear of ICE is pervasive fold in its financial hits that the farmers and ranchers have taken. And it goes without saying that these kiddos come to school with a lot of external stresses. They are able and willing to set those aside to work on making beautiful music together for a few hours a week. It's nothing short of miraculous. Thank you for all you do. You provide my daily dose of the proverbial best medicine, laughter. It helps keep me going every day so that the kids have so few safe spaces in this red zone, they have at least one space to be who they are. For my pod pet tax, here's my cat Bumper. That's a great name for a cat named for where the cat distribution system left him on my birthday. Oh, in 2021.
Look at this beautiful baby.
Cutie pie.
Lindy, that is so great. And I. Dana, I know you've been in band competitions before.
Yes, I have. I don't want to brag, but we had the best drum line in the state all, ah, four years I was section leader. Thank you very much.
So regional solo ensemble and state solo ensemble. That's a huge accomplishment.
Manzano High school, class of 94. Woo.
Woo.
Okay, Rosalyn pronouns she and they. Hello, my queens. More good news in the Pennsylvania on the separation of ICE and police, Philadelphia City Council passed a package of seven ICE OUT bills restricting federal immigration enforcement activities, introduced by Kendra Brooks and Rue Landau. A few high points are the prohibition of ICE agents wearing masks using unmarked vehicles and a requirement to wear badges. In addition, city agencies, including police, are prohibited from collaboration with sharing personal data with ice. For more details on what else the bill prohibits and bars link his here it's Philadelphia City Council passes landmark ICE OUT legislation. We're going to have a link to the article for you. Shout out to my nephew who turned me on to you. During the Kitchen Table Days podcast. He has a podcast called Role for Recall. It turns role play on its head as characters wake up with no memories of their abilities or backstories. Everything is revealed through flashbacks and actions. Look for Roll for Recall on Patreon and Discord. How fun. Love you both, your team and the community so much. Also, couldn't resist sending a pic of my niece's cat, S.K. in her Jabba the Hut.
This is not a real cat.
I can't. That is hysterical in the job of the hat post. That's a big old kitty.
Oh, my goodness.
What a sweet, sweet baby.
Oh, that's so great. I wonder if she's part rag doll. all right, next up from Nicole. Hi, AG and dg. I wanted to give you an update on Knit for Food, since you were kind enough to mention it. On April 11th, knitters and crocheters raised an astounding. You ready? $559,776.
Wow.
Which will be divided equally among Meals on Wheels, Feeding America. No Kid Hungry, and World Central Kids Kitchen. What started in 2021 with the humble goal of raising $10,000 to fight hunger and food insecurity, has to date raised over $2.3 million. We're already planning to do it again in 2027. My tariff is for ag after hearing about her mouse encounter. I've been doing mouse field work this past year, and it's now my favorite part of my job. The mice are gentle and adorable, but I'd still react like AG did if one got into my clothes. I was very gentle, and I saved it. Thank you. Thank you. To keep us informed and sane. Wow. Knit for food. It's called 559, 000. Well done, all.
right. Here we go. this is D.C. near D.C. pronounced he. Him. Hey, y'. All. I must tell you that Diker is not the funniest antelope name in Southern Africa.
I knew it was coming.
Yep, that honor belongs to Dick. Dick. Which is pronounced exactly the way you think it is. Yes, the jokes almost right themselves. Most Dik Dicks are very small. No, really. Their claim to fame is that they're the smallest of antelopes, standing at just 18 inches tall. Is it really 18 inches?
They have small Dik Dick energy.
Off. That was funny. Okay, now we should. By the way, that's when I think something's really funny.
Off.
Yeah, same you. And it's mostly because I didn't say it right.
That's exactly.
Damn it.
Thank you for writing that Joke. Now, as you look at the image of one that I've sent for my pod pet terror, say it with me. Ah, look, at that little dick dick. Thanks for everything. To both of you. Let me know when you're coming to dc. We definitely will. Look at this cute little dick Dick.
Look at that little dick dick, dick. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, we've got, we got a couple of dick dicks here at the San Diego Zoo.
Antelopes, like when you say that. Men, not so much. Look at that little dick dick.
Look at that little dick dick.
Look at that. Although they'd be happy with 18 inches, I'm sure.
Just because you showed it to me three times doesn't make it 18 inches. all right, next up from Aunt Patty Pronoun. She and her hello beans queens. Just three little one day long old baby goats. Enjoy the adorableness. Love you guys. Thank you for all you do.
Goats, goats, goats.
24 hour goats. Live new goats.
So cute. You should take the next one. That was soup short.
All right, here we go. Kim Pronoun. She and her beans queens. I have some great queer news to share. My wife Bonnie is a high school teacher, and as part of her supervision hours, she signed up to be a chaperone for senior prom. She did not attend prom herself when she was a teenager, so I decided to make this her prom. Oh, my God, I'm gonna cry. I ordered a corsage for her at a boutonniere for myself, had reservations at a fancy restaurant, and even posed for the obligatory prom photos. It was a lovely night, and we enjoyed all the festivities and dancing especially even though the DJ played maybe two slow songs. What the. Among the loveliness of the evening was when the queer couples sought us out to say hi and thank us for coming and being visible. Lesbians in the wild, they called. brought my teen queer heart joy and healed spaces for both of us. Representation matters. here are some pics of our beautiful evening. My wife is on the left and I'm on the right. Isn't she just lovely? FYI, this is in deep red, Caldwell, Idaho.
Oh, m. This is awesome.
This is the best.
Kim.
Oh, my God.
Oh, look at that second photo. You guys are just adorable.
Thank you so much for that.
I really do love our community.
Me, too. Me too. It's the best.
Yeah.
What?
you know, I. I am not a religious person, but it's, you know, what a blessing from the universe.
Yeah.
You know, I just always feel safe.
I do, too. Well, I do. I was going to say, I do, too. When I'm here and with everybody else,
there's moments I might not be safe because I did post a photo of seashells in the shape of 8645 on the Internet. blue, sky. And I said, everybody post this. They can't indict all of us.
Oh, my God, seriously, make some macaroni art.
And I, you know, although, like, after I sent that, I was like, should I tell my lawyer I did that? I am A top 10 account on Blue Sky.
You might, you might want to. Yep. You're going to get a letter quickly.
Yeah, there hasn't been a knock at my door yet. Yet. but, you know, knock on wood. I'll just send all the mice out when they get here. It'll be fun.
They're right into their onesies.
Mice and the cop onesies. It's going to be a new song. I'll have it for you tomorrow. All right, everybody, we're going to see you over on Beans Talk. Dan, did you have any final thoughts before we get out of here?
Not today.
All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Until then, please take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of the planet, take care of your mental health, and take care of your family. I've been ag. I've been DG and them Sabines. The Daily Beans is written and executive produced by Allison Gill with additional research and reporting by Dana Goldberg. Sound design and editing is by Desiree McFarlane with art and web design by Joelle Reader with Moxie Design Studios. Music for the Daily Beans is written and performed by they Might Be Giants and the show is a proud member of the MSW Media Media Network, a collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news, politics and justice. For more information, please visit mswmedia.com msw media.